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right then,here goes.your views on muslims and racial tensions in general.no fighting or ranting.informed discussion only.no one is to have a go at anybody or cause ***FILTERED WORD*** e.lets have a proper discussion.your thoughts please............
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depends on yer definition of moslems!. if you mean folk who basically get on with their lives without harming or hassling others and remain faithfull to their beliefs then i dont see that anyone would have a problem with em, however if you mean those that preach hate of the west , call those that allowed them to stay in our country infedels, plot to destroy our way of live, demand sharia law be implemented, make statements that one day the crescent moon flag will fly above downing street and buckingham palace (in itself those two are sedition and treason by the way), make statements like death to unbelievers, kill those who say islam is violent (both of those statements were on placards in a protest against a cartoon depicting mohamed), then im sure that you can see there are going to be many ordinary folk that are A) gonna be frightened and B) angry.
We have a situation in the UK like it or not, we are at war in two islamic countries, wars that are percieved (by some moslems) to be a war/crusade against islam, our armed forces are over streched (according to top military folk) to the point that if there were a problem at home they would struggle to cope. there are approximatly 3 million moslems in the UK of which only a tiny minoraty are radicalised according to the secret service. having said that they arnt saying how small that minority is! it could be the 1200- 1600 that they are keeping tabs on or it could be in the 10's of thousands. now if its the first then we get to look forward to a future with halfwits blowing themselves and innocents up with home made bombs, if its the latter then there conceivably could be a real conflict brewing, a full on insurection in our own country!
Government is falling over backwards trying to make sure that ethnic minorities are not offended (they know our armed forces would struggle to cope as well) whilst they appear to not give a hoot if the indiginous people of the UK are offended by the imposition of liberal left wing ideas that appear to favour people who apparently think we are scum.
abu hamza the so called cleric (nowt more than a murdering terrorist in reality ... there are warrents for his arrest in his own country btw) came here and was granted assylum, he married and was then granted citizenship, has never worked or likewise contributed to this country but yet owned his own home in london had 350k in savings (that in itself is an offence your not allowed to claim benefits when you have access to that kind of money) preached hatred at the finsbury park mosque for years and hates each and every one of us with a passion. abu kateda is another example.... never worked never contributed and yet owned his own home (where did the money come from it sure as hell wasnt declared income) again preaches hatred of us and others and there are plenty of others as well.
The anger about moslems is understandable visit bolton or bradford and you would soon know why the BNP has become so popular, the situation isnt confined to the north west either its all over. Prior to 9 / 11 it would have been inconcievable for so many ordinary people in the uk to harbour ill will toward any ethnic minority. yet in the days that followed that outrage we were shown footage of arabs dancing in the street because their poster boy had commited such an act. In spain radical moslem factions blew up a train killing many, in bali a nightclub got similar treatment on 7/7 50 british citizens lost their lives to suicide bombers. later a bunch o halfwits tried to do the same and failed and are currently serving life terms (hope they get whats coming to em just like the one in the paper yesterday bleating that he is getting death threats from prisoners and has had hot oil thrown on him ...good! hope it hurts). a few days ago more failed bombs and an attempt to blow up folk in an airport.... is it any wonder that folk are angry?
I could carry on with more annecdotal evidence of how we are percieved, but to be honest i dont see the point.
the worse case scenario is civil war ..... dunno if that will ever happen or not but one thing you can be sure of they (the terrorist and their sympathisers) can never be allowed to win. Either mainstream peacefull believers in Islam make a stand against these murderous bastids and give em up or the people of this country will do something about it and they wont discriminate at all...... all will suffer, cos lets face it, a society that attacked a Paediatrician's house cos they didnt know the difference between a doctor specialising in childrens Medicine and paedophiles you can be sure they wont differentiate between peacefull folk or terrorists.
The UK needs to become an entirely secular country (one that does not support ANY religion) our politicians should keep their faith to themselves as well. I dont care if they are catholic, born agains, moslem, buddhist, hindu, whatever their faith has no place in government.
discrimination isnt nice but then niether is positive discrimination either.
in closing i will say again there are many people that worship islam in the UK that are nothing more than peacefull folk who want a better life and GOOD LUCK to em, but if they really want a better life its time to stand up and be counted, hand over the radicals and let them face justice. Take yer youth in hand and let em know they are part of the problem when they kick off for some percieved slight. there can not be ANY no go areas in the UK irrespective of the colour of yer skin or the god you prey too.
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 15:33:51
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i agree 100% with everything u said bear. u said it better than i would have so i am quite happy to stand behind and back u up all the way.
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 16:29:14
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Couldn't have said it ant better myself Bear so i won't.
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 16:48:36
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now thats exactly what i was trying to get at.excellent bear.a fair and rationed argument without any rambling.the only thing i will say is that perhaps the government knew about hamza and let him stay here willingly so they could gather information about him and his cohorts.i stress maybe.from personal experience i have found the older muslims are getting pissed off with the young uns causing trouble.more intergration on their part is the key i feel.there is a muslim mp in birmingham who had a go at his own community for not doing exactly that.political correctness can also take some blame.a spades a spade and if we have to pussyfoot around then nothing will get done.this does not however excuse racist abuse or attacks or the use of racist language.you cant have a go at someone then act worse than them.you have to take the moral high ground or you face hypocrisy.well done bear.too clever by half.lol
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 16:55:57
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forgot to say,beware people such as the bnp.they are an inherantly racist organisation and only serve to further their own cause.they have been shown to support nazis.im not over reacting.ive researched them.a vote for them will not solve the problems of this country.quite the opposite.a party with basically one policy is no party at all.they dont have a clue.i believe these people to be as deranged as the terrorists.there will be no muslim war.things have to settle down eventually.why?apathy.
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 17:06:10
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Exactly right bear a well thought out and reasoned reply for which I concur Also Sozzle I tend to agree with comments about the BNP but if things continue as they do they will get more and more votes the same as hitlers Nazi party did in the 30's becuase of the troubles germany were in and its lack of leadership
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 17:10:12
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i agree.im sure none of us wants that whatever your views.you dont have to like muslims to see what the bnp are.how people in this country can fly nazi flags after what people went through is beyond me.they should be strapped to a suicide bomber and pushed into bnp headquaters.
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 17:14:11
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im quite enjoying this.lol.
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 17:29:45
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What some have missed is the way they fund themselves.
All temples Mosques have a "collection" and its a huge amount. Thats for starters.
Then they have local business men put their "savings" into a collective pot and its then shared out to ensure the younger ones get a "corner shop or some kind of business"
It is a secretive way of buying up shop premesis and housing for others to exploit.
This will account for some of the above theory`s about how funds are come across.
My facts behind this, and I state facts are as follows. I have contracted to several mosques, temples ect over the years and been given free reign inside to do the works contracted. i have to admit to having to not wear footwear and even on occasion a "napkin" on my head but hey it paid the rent and they could not do the job i was doing.
Want to know what the various jobs i was doing, generally opening safes so jammed with cash the locks broke the keys as they turned them!
Call it self sufficient if you like, I call it evading taxes and illegally funding certain fractions within their community.
Still its only what i have experienced, what would I know.
Hey Gixxer time we met for a pint and a natter.
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 18:05:42
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not so sure ox.think its same as old people keeping their savings under the bed.the sikh community tend to help each other out too with money.wouldnt call it secretive.dont forget that these cultures value family far more than us.they look after their elders and ensure their children have a future.as for religious funding,how does a christian church raise funds?same way.it is easy to be suspicious of a culture we dont quite understand.i have been in temples and mosques too.nice places.dont like religion myself but horses for courses aint it.dont forget the muslim religion expects people to give up a large chunk of earnings.this is used to help set up business and such.thats why they have a seperate bank.a muslim bank isnt allowed to make a profit.perhaps i should tell tsb to piss off.lol.
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 18:23:57
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When you confess to a priest ( i know nothing about this so this is a supposition), does he tell you to chant 3 times put 50 quid in the box and come back when finished, then say the same again? Because they do!
Some collection pot, as I have said been there seen it.
If they don't get the laws they want they will just buy us out.
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 20:44:24
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Oh and if i go on holiday to their country i`ll try the language, if i go to live i`ll learn it.
So what's their problem?
They can count they can insult but when it comes to normal discussion they "dont speak"
Time we did closed off and means tested the new ones. The ones held for acts against this country deported and materials held for resale for the price of their tickets.
Well its a debate, so go debate.
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 22:50:21
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I realy can't be bothered
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 22:53:46
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i do agree that anyone coming to live here should learn our language and if they get found guilty of a crime they should be sent back home not be kept here in our over populated prisions for us to feed and water. crime = loss of citizenship
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 22:56:31
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btw i'm not just talking about any one kind of immigrant here i am talking about all of them regardless of religion, colour or place of origin.
all i want is for people not to want to kill me and my family, run me out of my own country. make me give up my history, culture, customs and identity and make me pay finanicaly for the priveledge. is it really too much to ask. everyone is asking what can we do for them to make them integrate better here and make them feel more welcome. how about what can they do for us to make us want to? given how their attitude towards is i think they have to do alot more to impress us than the other way round. is it any wonder that other countries have such a strict entry system? they don't put up with it why should we?
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here we go then - Posted on 2007-07-21 09:51:54
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