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Well the well known nazi Ken Livingstone has done it again. he`s extended the congestion charge. Everyone is saying how well it went the traffic was ever so light and it was easier to get to work.
Well thats the same as when he introduced it the 1st time round ON THE START OF THE CHILDREN'S HALF TERM, of course the traffic is lighter there isnt 3000 000 scrummies on the fekking road (scrummies school run mummies). So there is lighter traffic, the red conniving bastid wants shooting, whoever voted for him must have forgotten the battles and shite he caused in county hall and the Greater London Council, the strikes, unpaid wages and unlawful sackings.
You might all be laughing at London, wait till its introduced near you. Along with pay as you go motoring and the weigh of your bins checked so they can add another tax to your council tax. This government is a total disgrace and before anyone pipes up
with a funny comment i never voted for the scumbags in the first place.
Rant over :P
cheers
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move up here then
Congestion Charge - Posted on 2007-02-19 21:14:15
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we wont oxo,,we wont pay em,and system collapses....re....poll tax.
Congestion Charge - Posted on 2007-02-19 23:07:51
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The Newt has been let back into the labour party and it did my soul good to hear the enamel splintering off Tony Bliars perfect teeth when it was announced.
You bet your a**e Ken Livingstone is not flavour of the month within New Labour *spits* ranks: the mans a bloody SOCIALIST!
Viz congestion charging, completely wrong to introduce it before the provision of an integrated public transport system like the one we had before it was privatised by the hell bitch Thatcher (Please hurry up and die, I need a good excuse for a party!).
Ride a bike and p155 them all off.
Congestion Charge - Posted on 2007-02-20 10:54:39
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mark. it donst matter how many times a petition gets press coverage, government dosnt have to do anything about them. its just a con trick. the current government dept in charge of the road pricing has already sent mixed messages about wether they will impliment the bill.... one mp saying that if the country dosnt want it it wont happen but the minister in charge stating later the ssame day that they would be going ahead with testing in various cities. once a test starts it will be implemented throughout the rest of the country at some point.
letter writing is much more effective. by law each letter sent to an mp, minister or department must by law be replied too. can you imagine the sheer chaos of them trying to reply to 1.6 million protest letters? the dept would grind to a halt, the expense in replying to the letters would make the treasury cringe as well government would definatly have to take notice, whereas with a petition they can claim anything they want as with this one where they say that the question in the petition was misleading and they will not be taking notice of it.
want to make a difference. get 3 bits of paper 3 envelopes and 3 stamps. write to your mp, the prime minister and then to the minister in charge of the dept. then get everyone you know to do the same if 1.6 million folk did the same they couldnt cope as they would have to send out 4.8 million replies !
E petitions make you think you are doing somethin proactive but fact is they are worthless, always were always will be.
Congestion Charge - Posted on 2007-02-20 13:08:39
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ken may well be a socialist but lets face it he is also a treehuggin newt loving hippy and as such i despise him.... almost as much as i dispise blair and his cronies that have turned the labour party from the representatives of the working man to the representative of the middle classes. ffs the tories are now claiming to represent the working man (wouldnt trust that shower o shite as far as i could throw em either). there is no longer a party worthy of voting for. it will be a case of whichever party says they will do away with transport 2000 and their ilk that get in next, and lets face it they will lie through their teeth and go ahead with anything they like.
realistically labour still stand the best chance of getting back into power at the next election (dont believe the polls that put cameron ahead tis mid term the opposition always is ahead then.)
lets face it there isnt anyone to vote for anymore. labour will put brown in charge and the same old tired tax em till they bleed policies will be run out. tories will want folk to vote for a man that we all know dabbled in drugs but is too much of a wan*er to admit it and come clean about it (like anyone cares). and the lib dems some old fogey that stands no chance whatsoever of getting into power. forget all the also rans they are a waste of time.
its down to the same old firms both as corrupt as each other.
or to put it another way " heres to the new boss , same as the old boss"
Congestion Charge - Posted on 2007-02-21 10:58:48
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update for ya
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6381153.stm
something i think the goverment is missing is the fact that our roads are what 40, 50 years old? back then there wasn't that much traffic. now most households have at least 2.4 cars. AND our population has gone up 10 fold ......... we r a little place full to the brim it isn't going to make any differnce if u charge for using the roads we r still gonna have to use em. the only way u r going to ease congestion is to make more roads, but we r that little where the hell r u gonna put em? another good idea would be to stop millions of people coming here, getting cars, driving on our roads and making the matter worse. ....... i think of it like this if u have a 20 foot square room u can only get so much in it eventually it will be full ......... well guess what we r that room!!!!
Congestion Charge - Posted on 2007-02-21 13:18:15
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heres the response you get form el twato if u signed the petition
E-petition: Response from the Prime Minister
The e-petition asking the Prime Minister to "Scrap the planned vehicle tracking and road pricing policy" has now closed. This is a response from the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.
Thank you for taking the time to register your views about road pricing on the Downing Street website.
This petition was posted shortly before we published the Eddington Study, an independent review of Britain's transport network. This study set out long-term challenges and options for our transport network.
It made clear that congestion is a major problem to which there is no easy answer. One aspect of the study was highlighting how road pricing could provide a solution to these problems and that advances in technology put these plans within our reach. Of course it would be ten years or more before any national scheme was technologically, never mind politically, feasible.
That is the backdrop to this issue. As my response makes clear, this is not about imposing "stealth taxes" or introducing "Big Brother" surveillance. This is a complex subject, which cannot be resolved without a thorough investigation of all the options, combined with a full and frank debate about the choices we face at a local and national level. That's why I hope this detailed response will address your concerns and set out how we intend to take this issue forward. I see this email as the beginning, not the end of the debate, and the links below provide an opportunity for you to take it further.
But let me be clear straight away: we have not made any decision about national road pricing. Indeed we are simply not yet in a position to do so. We are, for now, working with some local authorities that are interested in establishing local schemes to help address local congestion problems. Pricing is not being forced on any area, but any schemes would teach us more about how road pricing would work and inform decisions on a national scheme. And funds raised from these local schemes will be used to improve transport in those areas.
One thing I suspect we can all agree is that congestion is bad. It's bad for business because it disrupts the delivery of goods and services. It affects people's quality of life. And it is bad for the environment. That is why tackling congestion is a key priority for any Government.
Congestion is predicted to increase by 25% by 2015. This is being driven by economic prosperity. There are 6 million more vehicles on the road now than in 1997, and predictions are that this trend will continue.
Part of the solution is to improve public transport, and to make the most of the existing road network. We have more than doubled investment since 1997, spending £2.5 billion this year on buses and over £4 billion on trains - helping to explain why more people are using them than for decades. And we're committed to sustaining this investment, with over £140 billion of investment planned between now and 2015. We're also putting a great deal of effort into improving traffic flows - for example, over 1000 Highways Agency Traffic Officers now help to keep motorway traffic moving.
But all the evidence shows that improving public transport and tackling traffic bottlenecks will not by themselves prevent congestion getting worse. So we have a difficult choice to make about how we tackle the expected increase in congestion. This is a challenge that all political leaders have to face up to, and not just in the UK. For example, road pricing schemes are already in operation in Italy, Norway and Singapore, and others, such as the Netherlands, are developing schemes. Towns and cities across the world are looking at road pricing as a means of addressing congestion.
One option would be to allow congestion to grow unchecked. Given the forecast growth in traffic, doing nothing would mean that journeys within and between cities would take longer, and be less reliable. I think that would be bad for businesses, individuals and the environment. And the costs on us all will be real - congestion could cost an extra £22 billion in wasted time in England by 2025, of which £10-12 billion would be the direct cost on businesses.
A second option would be to try to build our way out of congestion. We could, of course, add new lanes to our motorways, widen roads in our congested city centres, and build new routes across the countryside. Certainly in some places new capacity will be part of the story. That is why we are widening the M25, M1 and M62. But I think people agree that we cannot simply build more and more roads, particularly when the evidence suggests that traffic quickly grows to fill any new capacity.
Tackling congestion in this way would also be extremely costly, requiring substantial sums to be diverted from other services such as education and health, or increases in taxes. If I tell you that one mile of new motorway costs as much as £30m, you'll have an idea of the sums this approach would entail.
That is why I believe that at least we need to explore the contribution road pricing can make to tackling congestion. It would not be in anyone's interests, especially those of motorists, to slam the door shut on road pricing without exploring it further.
It has been calculated that a national scheme - as part of a wider package of measures - could cut congestion significantly through small changes in our overall travel patterns. But any technology used would have to give definite guarantees about privacy being protected - as it should be. Existing technologies, such as mobile phones and pay-as-you-drive insurance schemes, may well be able to play a role here, by ensuring that the Government doesn't hold information about where vehicles have been. But there may also be opportunities presented by developments in new technology. Just as new medical technology is changing the NHS, so there will be changes in the transport sector. Our aim is to relieve traffic jams, not create a "Big Brother" society.
I know many people's biggest worry about road pricing is that it will be a "stealth tax" on motorists. It won't. Road pricing is about tackling congestion.
Clearly if we decided to move towards a system of national road pricing, there could be a case for moving away from the current system of motoring taxation. This could mean that those who use their car less, or can travel at less congested times, in less congested areas, for example in rural areas, would benefit from lower motoring costs overall. Those who travel longer distances at peak times and in more congested areas would pay more. But those are decisions for the future. At this stage, when no firm decision has been taken as to whether we will move towards a national scheme, stories about possible costs are simply not credible, since they depend on so many variables yet to be investigated, never mind decided.
Before we take any decisions about a national pricing scheme, we know that we have to have a system that works. A system that respects our privacy as individuals. A system that is fair. I fully accept that we don't have all the answers yet. That is why we are not rushing headlong into a national road pricing scheme. Before we take any decisions there would be further consultations. The public will, of course, have their say, as will Parliament.
We want to continue this debate, so that we can build a consensus around the best way to reduce congestion, protect the environment and support our businesses. If you want to find out more, please visit the attached links to more detailed information, and which also give opportunities to engage in further debate.
Yours sincerely,
Tony Blair
Congestion Charge - Posted on 2007-02-21 15:18:22
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and there ya go... some underpaid underling has been given the task of sending out a mass email. one or two clicks of a button and everyone gets a reply to their signing to the petition. WAY TOO EASY. write letters. they have to be replied to individually and take up lots of resources (typists ect) departments grind to a halt. dont fall for all the bullshit about E petitions they wont work any better than the hand written petition. write a letter or three. get loads of folk to do the same.
Congestion Charge - Posted on 2007-02-21 17:47:30
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ive just got back from london, and our hotel was on one of the roads that had just got the congestion charge put in, on the first day we were there it was very very quiet but by today it was really quite busy! i think its silly, it doesnt take into consideration:
what type of car it is
how many miles you do
how large the car is
how long your in the zone
and lots of other things!
(wow londons sooooo big :O)
Congestion Charge - Posted on 2007-02-21 18:24:27
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also i have not heard any evidence of the money raised by congestion charges being ringfenced (so that it can only be spent on what they said it would be spent on).
has there been an increase of avialability of public transport? have the fares got cheaper? If not WHY not?
Congestion Charge - Posted on 2007-02-21 18:49:44
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i thought the transport in london was really good!!! but thats probbaly just cos i come from a small town in scotland lol where we get a bus every 20 mins if we're lucky lol
but wow! you just go to the tube station and then theres like one straight away all the time!! :O
Congestion Charge - Posted on 2007-02-21 19:37:44
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the average amount of tax we pay in this country is 50% already! makes you want to emigrate.
Congestion Charge - Posted on 2007-02-21 22:11:11
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Bang on Ox and ro the charge is ridiculous in fact congestion has only deccreased by 6% since it was introduced not the figures they quote Oh and the day it was first introduced not only was it a kids hholiday all roadworks were suspeneded. Before attaking the motorist sort out Public transport and why isnt every bus and taxi in london and other cities electric or LPG because that would cost business money to convert Red ken is hholier then thou doesnt use a car and uses public transport the feck he does he goes evrywhere by taxi which polutes and causes congestion rant over
Congestion Charge - Posted on 2007-02-22 15:59:25
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This whole country is going belly up. Once people where prod to be British now im not so sure its something to be proud of.
Congestion Charge - Posted on 2007-02-22 18:35:55
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Hi loz, you were duped like a lot of others, the week you were here was a school holiday week so most traffic was gone and the trains hence were under used.
Yes our transportation system would seem far superior to yours, bur as you quite rightly point out you come from a small populated area. Not a metropolis like London.
Anyway i hope you enjoyed the visit.
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