are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2006-09-18 19:19:59
r1froog 1300cc Superstar
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in the last week up here,another 3 bikers have died,and 2 seriously injured..that brings the total dead for this year to 19....yes 19 in a city of 200000.the average is 10..12 per year...the guy who died yest hit a jcb..my m8 was seriously injured,by hitting car head on.the sad thing is almost all these deaths have been caused by the riders own mistakes..almost all have been due to riding above their ability.....the direct access course is designed to get mr average up to a certain standard,to take his 500 cc bike plodding in to work,through slow moving traffic..wat it doesnt teach,is the fact that most of these guys,after passing their tests jump on mega powerfull superbikes..take them out the twisties,and end up dead......the powers who be are gonna jump on us very hard,very soon..and realistically,who can blame them..meanwhile widows and orphans go about the task of life with no daddy,or husband......slow it down peeps,your a long time dead.
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2006-09-18 20:13:38
vfor 1000cc Pro Racer
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the inherrant problem here is the attitude of most riders to advanced riders and takin the advanced test.
As a tutor for ROSPA I have seen some horrendous rideing, BUT the worst part about it is these people believe themselves to be first class riders.
All riders should HAVE to take some form of advanced tution,
around here we have the problem of the city boys believing they are the BEES KNEES! hitting the country roads and causing mayhem for themselves and the more responsible rider.
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2006-09-18 22:24:01
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Hey vfor.....long time, no see
I totally agree with you. Living where I do, I get to see all those 'city boys' riding past my house on their way to Wales. Bearing in mind, the road I live on is a 30 limit, with a bend, closely followed by a pedestrian crossing (which is signposted, I hasten to add), you would be horified at the number of lunatics that come screaming past doing speeds in excess of 70.
I too am one of those riders that hasen't yet got round to doing an advanced riding course, but would never class myself as a 'great rider'. As far as I'm concerned, you can never know enough
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2006-09-19 00:20:34
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u see by nbr of no replies,they all think they can ride..thank u, u 2,for ure contribution.
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2006-09-19 08:15:24
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havin lived in lancashire and very close to the lakes i dont think it matters where you live or what you ride there is a minority in every walk of life, when your going down a 60 mph road in a line of busy traffic then a cock end in jeans and jacket pulling at least 100mph fires past you and just nips in to miss a car towing a caravan you just have to hope and pray if the dick head does kill himself he does it quietly somewhere and doesnt hurt or involve anyone else..
i like to ride fast but there is a time and place for everything, i disagree with saying all riders must or should take advanced lessons, i just think all or most should take lessons in common sense...
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2006-09-19 08:45:17
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there r knobhead riders everywhere .............. infact i think the worst standard of riding i have ever seen was in Greece ............ u had kids on busa's R1's Blade's etc wearing t-shirt (if u were lucky) shorts and flip flops and no helmets doing mac 2 down roads full of traffic. they have statistics to back up there bad riding too ......... on one stretch of road there were more deaths in one year than there was throughout the entire baltic war!!!!!
i totaly agree that riders should do advanced riding (and not just cos we have) because the standard is unreal and the benifits could save your life. look at it this way ........ the police motorcyclists in my view are the best riders on the road and they have all done advanced riding. not only r they quick (if thats required) but they r smooth controlled and r hardly ever involved in accidents (on or off duty)
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2006-09-19 09:06:51
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"i disagree with saying all riders must or should take advanced lessons, i just think all or most should take lessons in common sense"
I agree with si, I dont know figures but am sure even advanced riders have crashed, its down to the individual to take care and practice that common sense. As for me its not that long since i passed my direct access and yes have jumped from a 500 to something more powerfull but I know my limitations and only go fast or at least fast for me (ha ha) where its safe to do so and i think i can handle it. Not quite at stage of hurling my bike round bends at mach 1. Sometimes its tempting to want to do that but for now i prefer to live for another day i think! Perhaps its cause am not a kid who wants to impress his mates, trying to impress on a bike isnt the safest thing to do............
p.s originally i am from Inverurie just outside aberdeen!
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2007-03-30 13:53:49
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In the last year, 2 bikers have died on the road that runs past my house (out in the sticks of Aberdeenshire) and there have been countless non-fatal accidents. Just a couple of months ago a guy high-sided a couple of hundred yards from my gate and ripped a hole in me fence and damn near felled a 60 foot tree.
I'm all for enjoying quick riding and driving but it's a very narrow, winding country road. I think it's maybe an attitude but I can't see how that attitude is specific to berdeen. Maybe it's to do with the number of young guys with lots of money (from the oil industry) who can afford seriously quick machines but don't have the talent/experience to ride them...?
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2007-03-30 15:49:59
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I agree with froog`s point on direct access issues, ive seen it happen to a couple of mates, not fatalities thank god but nasty crashes within a month or two of passing on D.A. and buying way too powerfull bikes. Im not sure if limiting the bikes cc to new riders would be enough though, a nutter on an rs250 can soon find themselves and others in a whole heap of bother, its got to be more of an attitude change. I agree there is a time and place for speed and although i like it alot i try to stay at a moderate pace with the occasional blast.
Ive always felt there should be more emphisis on biker awareness built into the car driving test, some car drivers dont even know we excist !!!
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2007-03-30 17:33:58
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got a mate who works for the fire brigade
she been to 3 bike fatalities in the last month or so
and she still rides a cbr6
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2007-03-30 18:15:57
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Saw on the news yesterday something about the powers that be thinking about bringing in the restriction of ALL bikes so that you can't break the speed limit :-~
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2007-03-30 18:20:31
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The easiest and cheapest form of advanced riding anybody can do is bikesafe, ive done two now, and am doing one again this year aswell as continuing my IAM, which is through my own choice mainly because my bike is my only form of transport.
The police riders are amazing on the first bikesafe i done i thought i was pretty good, the copper didnt go above 60 on his pan and left me for dead in the twisties..
Its cheap easy and fun, Maybe if there were more incentives for the new rider, similar to the pass plus scheme for cars, i know alot of the guys and girls i ride with who havnt done any form of advanced rideing is mainly because they have got other commitments mainly family etc...and still hold the notion of advanced riders being in tweed with their sam brown belts etc..
one option is to change the test similar to the japanese where it is alot harder to get a license to ride any bike you want.....
As froog says though if we cant get something sorted ourselves....our glorious leaders will be forced to step in and doit for us, probly by the eu.....speed restrictor anybody??
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2007-03-30 18:15:34
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DA is a joke but needed, remember when you could pass on a cancelled test date after 5 mins on a bike and then get on anything?
Perhaps i was lucky becoming a DR and getting a hard experience of biking, you do live or die doing that, not just your born again "city boys" as who are so being mentioned.
The biggest problem as i see it is people not knowing the roads they decide to find out how far you can push a modern bike today...........you wont do that,it will be very hard to push a bike like this to its limit on a track. What you will do is expose your, (a generalisation not a blanket judgement) lack of skill, and plough into the nearest solid object.
The sad fact is bike will always attract people who love speed, like the sound and want to "let rip". So what is to be done? The manufacturers once gave a voluntary BHP limit on bikes, then one by one tried to make each one faster with more engineering but same BHP, so to avoid the last wave of attempted legislation against bikes. Then just gave up and gave us the "busa" R1"blade" to name a few.
The news last night was the start of another campaign, which will probably blow over. Bit i would expect another debate on BHP and age being used as a gauge to CC allowances, as they do in Japan and have done so for a long time.
Be warned you read it here on 2 wheel 1st.
cheers
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2007-03-31 08:32:28
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statistically if you have done a DA course and lept onto the fastest bike your finances can handle your more likely to have a serious crash. the biggest numbers of fatal bike crashes of late have been the "born again biker" types. Now it would seem to be the younger end of that market. WTF does anyone need a bike capable of niegh on 200mph for? Yesterday i picked up a 17 year old ratty gpz500. on the 40 mile trip home i was pottering along through the speed restricted (30 and 40 mph limits) and was passed at stupidly fast speeds by fools wearing paddock jackets and jeans plus trainers, and also by the power ranger brigade in full leathers and knee sliders all colour matched to their bikes....wan****.! they got passed me until they came up against traffic. after carrying on and catching up with them (and getting past the cars etc) I noticed that all of them were slowing down due to a set of twisties that were coming up . The road becomes unrestricted at this point so i upped my speed and passed the lot of em fairly wizzing through the bends, wasnt going all that quick either. didnt see em again until i pulled up to get petrol about 6 miles down the road. so i left em for dead on a 60 bhp 500 cc twin. I came to the conclusion they couldnt bloody ride to save themselves exept in a straight line.
23 years with a full licence and all of those years on evil handling old bikes (apart from 6 weeks on a honda hornet 600 .....hated that bike with a passion orrible bloody thing, handling seemed so vauge, no feedback, nothing! dont get me wrong it was a very capable machine and wasnt exactly slow either.) Folk have too much bloody money and no bloody sence at all these days. And now due to these numpties and halfwits like em we all get the pleasure of having to fight off legislation that will introduce speed limiters on new bikes! mind you i reckon my sheds full of old machines may well go up in price but then again id have nothing worth while to choose from if i sold em.
Each to his own but if your gonna go out and buy a modern sports bike then the least you can do after passing your tests is take an advanced riding course. If your that good a rider it will be a piece of piss lol (tounge firmly in cheek).
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2007-03-31 17:42:09
ohsomadeddie 1300cc Superstar
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i went from cbt to unrestricted acess in 3 months
and i still rode my dna125 for a year after passing the test
i think it is daft to jump up to the biggest bike you can get ya grubby mitts on
espically those who ride a 50 normally to jump on to a busa or summat like that
legal it may be. completely daft it is
are aberdeen bikers really that bad?.............. - Posted on 2007-03-31 20:02:47
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i started off one a 125, rode it for 2 years, done da, got 400, rode that for a year then got the 600. i think advanced lessons should be encouraged, i would like to do one or two but family and work commitments mean i haven't yet had the time.
i agree that u do get some idiots, one came screaming past me the other day, one minute the road behind me was clear, next he came within inches of me, made me jump, cut in between 2 cars in front, making them brake hard then he was off again. the worse thing was he has jeans and trainers on. i do ride fast sometimes but in the right places and on a road that i know very well.
peeps should be encouraged to take the advanced training
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